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[Rad]

[mark68]

All very interesting. If you disagree with the importation of any w/c, I don't think you need feel guilty just because your snakes parents 20 generations ago were wild caught. If i can give an analogy. I don't like buying shampoos that are tested on animals, so I buy from companies that do not test on animals. But the chemicals that are used in the shampoo would have been tested by somebody 20-30 years ago. Should I worry about that ? Of course not !

I thought what you said 1jezz1 was very interesting, but I think in theory any reptile can be bred in captivity. If you provide conditions similiar to the wild they will breed. its just sometimes those conditions are difficult or more importantly expensive to provide. There are plenty of examples of species that were thought difficult to breed that are now bred regularly. Royal pythons were rarely bred 15 years ago ! It was largely the breeders who looked for unusual ones to breed from that put the work into breeding them. Then they worked it out how to do it reliably. It was the money they could make from these new morphs that helped things along. Before that it was hardly worth it for proffessional breeders as this species is not very productive and the captive farmed ones are so cheap. If you get rid of most w/c then it will become worth while making the effort to breed many species that are not bred much or at all today.

I would love to be able to produce 100's or poss 1000's of Bombina for example every year, and believe I could do this. But when wholesalers are probably paying around £1 or less each for each one it is not economic for me to do so. There are many many examples like this I can think of.

[H.S.]

Just to clarify, my mention of Babies born in prisons was raised because of Lynne's earlier mentioning of prison when posting in reply to Tommy. In was tongue in cheek and that is why it was punctuated with two 'wink' smilies.
I personally don't believe there is a comparison between Humans 'bred in captivity' and Animals, I don't doubt that there is more to some reptiles than just instinct, I have witnessed this in my BTS when it has been hunting. However, imho, I do feel that when conditions are suitable for Reptiles and their requirements are met, they have little or no desire to escape and therefore probably have no idea of their captivity. Whether this is different for WC animals, I could not say, as I have not yet owned nor observed Wild Reptiles in captivity.
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[Jezz]

[Jezz]

And H.S your comparison was a good one, because I think it may help people expand beyond their opinions and see others. It's a good way to say in short 'how would you feel if this was you' etc.

I was in favour of this, hence why my answer was I would prefer to be free, however its just a shame humans have the intelligence and knowledge to know otherwise!
But, i beg to differ on your theory on escaping reptiles!
You provide 100% accurate conditions for any reptile but leave the door on the viv open for a day and I wonder how many of you would come back to an empty viv?
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[H.S.]

[Lynne]

[Jezz]

pm'd
and i'd like to add that voiceing my opinion is not provoking.
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1.0.0 Boa Constrictor Imperator
0.0.1 Lampropeltis getulus californiae
1.0.0 Pantherophis guttata guttata
0.1.0 Eublepharis macularius
0.1.0 Testudo hermanni
0.1.0 Grammostola rosea

[Jezz]

[MJ]