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Rickeezee Site Moderator

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trueviper_UK CaptiveBred Addict!

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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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Very nice
The ant farm thing is a good idea. _________________ You can't trust the snake......but you can always trust the snake to be a snake. |
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reptilefans I've settled in...
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:13 pm Post subject: desert horned toads |
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Guy's thanks for the information. They are definitely horned toads, not thorny devils,with coloration much the same as what Rick has posted.
I have been assured they are a pair, is there any definite way to tell, I would suppose very similar to beardies, size and broadness of head etc, would coloration also be a key indicator. Also does anyone know what the life expectancy is.
This is a question specifically for Rick, would any of your weird and wonderful live foods be suitable for these particular lizards. I have managed to get some 2nd instar crickets, plus some mini mealworms, small locusts and some waxworms, but as they say "variety is the spice of life"
Also if i manage to work out the technolgy I will try and post some pictures of them from my phone. |
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Indigo Blue Fish Key Member

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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 12:38 am Post subject: |
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As I was saying earlier, IMG_0852.JPG looks like it has phoenix tattooed on it's back. Beauties, one of my favourite lizards. Perhaps one day, when I'm more experienced with herping...
Would like to see a full tank shot if you have one though - helps to know how other people keep their animals. _________________
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Rickeezee Site Moderator

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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:03 am Post subject: Re: desert horned toads |
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reptilefans wrote: | Guy's thanks for the information. They are definitely horned toads, not thorny devils,with coloration much the same as what Rick has posted.
I have been assured they are a pair, is there any definite way to tell, I would suppose very similar to beardies, size and broadness of head etc, would coloration also be a key indicator. Also does anyone know what the life expectancy is.
This is a question specifically for Rick, would any of your weird and wonderful live foods be suitable for these particular lizards. I have managed to get some 2nd instar crickets, plus some mini mealworms, small locusts and some waxworms, but as they say "variety is the spice of life"
Also if i manage to work out the technolgy I will try and post some pictures of them from my phone. |
Sexing:
In terms of sexing them colour is not an indicator, their colour is adapted to the surrounding soil / sand and they can change colour in minutes. I have not been able to find any documented information on how to sex them but google them there is a lot of information that makes very interesting reading. I will have a look at mine more closely to see if I can spot any noticeable differences.
Life expetency:
5-8 years in the wild.
Food:
In the wild they will eat 200 ants per day, that is a lot of food, their stomachs are specially adapted to deal with the high chitin content of ants and is an extra large stomach, odd I know a few people who must be adapted to eat lots of ants They also carry large fat stores, probably to enable them to cope when food is scarce. This makes me think that in captivity they may well live of the fat stores if their diet is not adequate, in turn they may appear to be doing well and then fade and die! In the wild thye will also take, spiders, moths, beetles etc so any insect is worth trying, from my list, seeing as you asked, buffalo worms, mini meal worms, bean weevils and so forth. They dont tend to chase their prey, but will wait for it and then flick out their long sticky tongue, might be why they are nicknamed horned toads? I am trying as wide a variety as possible of food items to see what works, its a steep learning curve.
From what I have read so far about these lizards they are fascinating and quite remarkable. Would be great to see if they can be bred in captivity, but I dont think this will be easy. I hate to sound negative, but I am not to sure about how well they will adapt to being kept in captivity, or their survival rates in the long term, time will tell! _________________ www.rickslivefood.co.uk
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Rickeezee Site Moderator

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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:09 am Post subject: |
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Indigo Blue Fish wrote: | As I was saying earlier, IMG_0852.JPG looks like it has phoenix tattooed on it's back. Beauties, one of my favourite lizards. Perhaps one day, when I'm more experienced with herping...
Would like to see a full tank shot if you have one though - helps to know how other people keep their animals. |
The set up is quite basic, two caves, sand, stone chippings, piece of wood. I keep mine in an open top aquarium, will do a pic later of the complete set up. _________________ www.rickslivefood.co.uk
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reptilefans I've settled in...
Joined: 04 Feb 2007 Posts: 20 Location: london
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 10:51 am Post subject: Desert Horned Toads |
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Look forward to seeing the pics. I'll be picking them up today, weighed up the pro's and cons and decided to go for it.
Also read about their habit of squirting red fluid from their tear ducts when threatened, remembered seeing it on a wildlife programme as well, lets hope they don't get too upset then!!!!  |
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Rickeezee Site Moderator

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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 10:55 am Post subject: |
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Good luck with them looking forward to seeing the pics.
Yep they squirt blood from their eye sockets as a form of self defence, nice . _________________ www.rickslivefood.co.uk
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RonW CaptiveBred Addict!

Joined: 16 Jan 2006 Posts: 536 Location: netherlands
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:20 am Post subject: |
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They are very nice lizards. I had them once years ago. Didn't last too long, but then I was a lot less experienced then. I think Rick's suggestion of providing good UV is a good one. They certainly have a lot of UV where they live. As for food, I would not give too many meal/buffalo worms, just the occasional one to avoid constipation.
Sexing is very easy, certainly in adults, just look at the tail base. Males are very obviously male if you know what I mean
Because they virtually all WC I would go for animals that are not yet fully grown to give them more of a chance to settle and hopefully breed later on. They have been bred in captivity, I've seen CB at German shows, but it is not very common. Too bad, as they are one of my favorite species.
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Scott W Site Admin

Joined: 15 Apr 2004 Posts: 13355 Location: London, England.
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:39 am Post subject: |
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I had some too many years ago, I kept them on 3" of sand and provide a UV light about an 1" over the sand and a spot bulb for general heat basking.
They would spend most of their time directly under the UV lamp to bask and bury themselves at night under the sand. All heat and light was turned off at night.
They would bask on sand that was way too hot for me to touch but they seemed more than happy to lay there. _________________
Please DO NOT pm orders for reptiles, send email instead scott@captivebred.co.uk |
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