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Crispy
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never mind, saw some pics of them now, we do have them in Norway, iv had them several of times before , they are pretty cool reptiles 
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| Crispy wrote: | what is a slow worm, and what does it look like?? 
I dont think we have that in Norway |
Hi Crispy,
Slow worms are little legless lizards that occur over some of Europe and Russia. I think they tend to grow to around 12" inches long.
This is my one, thinking my finger is a grub of some kind
She likes fingers
And begs for food in an amusing manner
And is very curious and trusting
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Crispy
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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they are certainly cool lizards
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I found a guy selling captive bred slow worms about 10 months ago, my Dad bought 5 from him 3 females and 2 males unfortunately i have no idea where the guy is now, i will search and see what i can find, Are u still after a male?
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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| dantro wrote: | | I found a guy selling captive bred slow worms about 10 months ago, my Dad bought 5 from him 3 females and 2 males unfortunately i have no idea where the guy is now, i will search and see what i can find, Are u still after a male? |
I am searching too!!
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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they are actualy cool ive never seen them befor munchie thanks for sharing. 1 question dont they have some kind of teeth or just grates like a gecko?
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:43 pm Post subject: Buying Uk species |
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due to current law you need to have proof that they are captive bred.
A proper sales receipt should be obtained and should be avaiable in case you are asked by Natural Engalnd to prove where you got them.
The law bans sale ,trade and barter (as well as nijury and killing).
BE VERY CAREFUL.
I have been involved in a case where a shop was selling uk species and it is a potential minefield.
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lovesnakes
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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sorry to hear of your miss-fortune 
some excellent photos 
they really do look like they have great personalities
best of luck finding a LEGAL mate for her
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Crunchie
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| Quote: | | I found a guy selling captive bred slow worms about 10 months ago, my Dad bought 5 from him 3 females and 2 males unfortunately i have no idea where the guy is now, i will search and see what i can find, Are u still after a male? |
Unfortunately just captive bred isn't good enough in terms of legality. It's still illegal to sell captive bred UK slow worms unless they are F2 generation. I think that basically means that the slow worm your buying's grandparents also had to be captive bred. Anything less is still illegal to sell or buy though I've no idea how you're expected to prove even F2 generations are really what you say. I assume you have to keep strict breeding records and maybe letters from the vet when they do produce young?
If the guy was anywhere near me and had proof his slow worms were legal to sell then I'd be interested.
| Quote: | | due to current law you need to have proof that they are captive bred. |
And have also been in captivity for two generations. Captive bred UK slow worms are still illegal to sell unless they are F2 generation.
| Quote: | | A proper sales receipt should be obtained and should be avaiable in case you are asked by Natural Engalnd to prove where you got them. |
I have a recipt and the letter from when I bought the one in 05, is this really enough though? Also will Natural England do anything about me selling offspring in Scotland? I assume its a different organisation up here?
The F2 thing is very weird in my eyes I think the logic is that once you are a few generations down the line they cease to become "wildlife". Problem is I've no idea how you get F2 generations without breeding siblings to siblings because taking another slow worm from the wild to produce young will break the captive bred generation chain surely. So if one did produce F2 generation slow worms (or common lizards or whatever...) they'd wind up quite inbred and then you're unlikely to be able to breed them back to anything bar their brothers and sisters?
There was a thread a couple of years ago on Livefoods where someone was selling "captive bred slow worms and common lizards" but after a few folk sent money and recieved nothing for ages we reckoned they were being caught to order. I'm very very skeptical of anyone other than a good reptile shop selling them and probably wouldn't go to a private individual unless they had a very good reputation. |
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| Crunchie wrote: | | Quote: | | I found a guy selling captive bred slow worms about 10 months ago, my Dad bought 5 from him 3 females and 2 males unfortunately i have no idea where the guy is now, i will search and see what i can find, Are u still after a male? |
Unfortunately just captive bred isn't good enough in terms of legality. It's still illegal to sell captive bred UK slow worms unless they are F2 generation. I think that basically means that the slow worm your buying's grandparents also had to be captive bred. Anything less is still illegal to sell or buy though I've no idea how you're expected to prove even F2 generations are really what you say. I assume you have to keep strict breeding records and maybe letters from the vet when they do produce young?
If the guy was anywhere near me and had proof his slow worms were legal to sell then I'd be interested.
| Quote: | | due to current law you need to have proof that they are captive bred. |
And have also been in captivity for two generations. Captive bred UK slow worms are still illegal to sell unless they are F2 generation.
| Quote: | | A proper sales receipt should be obtained and should be avaiable in case you are asked by Natural Engalnd to prove where you got them. |
I have a recipt and the letter from when I bought the one in 05, is this really enough though? Also will Natural England do anything about me selling offspring in Scotland? I assume its a different organisation up here?
The F2 thing is very weird in my eyes I think the logic is that once you are a few generations down the line they cease to become "wildlife". Problem is I've no idea how you get F2 generations without breeding siblings to siblings because taking another slow worm from the wild to produce young will break the captive bred generation chain surely. So if one did produce F2 generation slow worms (or common lizards or whatever...) they'd wind up quite inbred and then you're unlikely to be able to breed them back to anything bar their brothers and sisters?
There was a thread a couple of years ago on Livefoods where someone was selling "captive bred slow worms and common lizards" but after a few folk sent money and recieved nothing for ages we reckoned they were being caught to order. I'm very very skeptical of anyone other than a good reptile shop selling them and probably wouldn't go to a private individual unless they had a very good reputation. |
WouldŽnt that make it F3 generation?
In that case, we have the same rules here in Sweden. I have to be able to proove that they are born in captivity (breedercertificate), as well as their parents would have to be(another breedercetificate).
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