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dhill

Ive only had my two Rankins a week now and was told when I bought them that they were around 1yr old and they were male a female pair that had started, what looked like breeding.

The problem Ive got now is as follows:

1. After reading two books and visting several websites, these are my first ever reptiles.
2. They have been having what we took to be breeding behaviour, after advice from where we got them from, but Im now starting to be of the opinion that it isnt breeding behaviour but in fact a display of dominance.
3. Both myself and my partner have had a go at sexing them this evening, after checking our books and looking a various website, we believe that they are in fact both male!

The big questions now are:

1.Is it wise/safe to keep to male Rankins together in the one Viv (see previous posts for Viv picture and description.
2. Is there anyone local to Daventry, Northampton that wouldnt mind popping round for a tea/coffee/chat one evening and have ago at sexing them for us?
3. If it is proved that they are both males, and not in fact a male and female pair as sold to us, are we within our rights to take them back and ask for a replacement pair?

Many thanks in advance, a concerned Rankins owner.
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Scott W · Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:47 pm Post subject:

Hi,

I think you are quite within your rights to take them back if you were sold a guaranteed male / female pair.

Can you take some photos of them? We would need to see the vent area with the tail bent back over the body a little (almost a right angle). If they are adult they should be easy to sex.

As for problems, I have kept all males together for a long time without problems. You get the initial displays and neck biting but once one accepts the other as dominant they are generally fine from then onwards. The only other time they may fight is after you remove them from the viv or change the viv setup, then they just go thru the process again.
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dhill · Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 10:15 pm Post subject:

Cheers for the help Scott, your a star as always mate!

Ill try and get some pictures taken of them both tomorrow, as they have both gone to bed now. When you look underneath them both, past the vent towards the base of the tail there is two small bumps on either side. If looking from the tail end with the tail lifted slightly you can see a small grove running between the lumps on them both.

What you said about the displays of dominance after youve taken one out of the Viv and put it back in is so true, the first thing the more dominant one does is go straight to the other one!
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dhill · Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 11:28 am Post subject:

Sorry for the delay with the photos.

They still havent calmed down at all yet, the less dominant one is getting a hell of a time. I would really appreciate if someone could look at the pics below and let me know what they think about them sex wise, I know the pics arent great but the best I could get...and before you ask yes they are of two different rankins!

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dhill · Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 11:52 am Post subject:

Can you put an older male (say around 1yr old) with a younger female (3-6months old) together in the same Viv?
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Scott W · Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 12:20 pm Post subject:

top one is 100% male, can't tell from the other photo angles, you need to take them all the same as the top.

As for adding younger female, age is not the problem, size is. You can add any ages together so long as the sizes are similar.
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dhill · Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 12:58 pm Post subject:

Cheers Scott

Heres some more pics, hope they help more this time lol

Rankin 1 - The more dominant one

Rankin 2 - The one getting bullied

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Scott W · Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:03 pm Post subject:

2 male for sure, sorry.
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dhill · Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:07 pm Post subject:

Many thanks Scott

Excellant help as always!
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dhill · Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 4:45 pm Post subject:

Just a quick update and yet another question! lol

Took my two Rankins back to where I got them, and they changed them no problems what so ever. So i know have a definate male and female pair of Rankins Smile

My question is this though....

The female doesnt seem to be that active, and seems to spend most of her time asleep and kind of lies down on one side of her belly with the other side raised slightly.

Is this normal behaviour, could she have eggs? If not what do you guys suggest?

Cheers
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