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[crocdoc]

How short your memory is.

You posted a 'training log' in which you explained how you put a frightened monitor into deep water to exhaust it because you didn't like (nor understand) the way it was behaving. You were then surprised when it flipped over in the water and went catatonic.

You posted how your savs free roam 24/7 and that you don't need basking lights for them because you wholeheartedly believe they are endothermic.

You've posted several videos showing incredibly, unbelievably, obscenely obese savs.

Make that 'sav'. You've made it known publicly that two of the three monitors you've owned have died very early.

What more do I need to know? Your husbandry sucks.

[Michael C]

Sure, let the people read the contents of the paper, along with the thread including the other reference and see what they think. Interestingly, everyone seems to see things the way they really are, except you, despite evidence. Since you love definitions, the previous sentence defines “delusional”. If you really think that I changed my thinking just to fit your monitor-lethal form of husbandry, think again. You can look through every post of every forum that I have posted on and you will never see me congratulating someone on exceptional growth rates. In the end, you are just another piece of evidence and what importance are exceptional growth rates when the end result is less than 10% of a potential lifespan?

I find it most interesting that you trash the work of herpetologists, when their evidence does not fit into your beliefs (see definition above again). So far, you have talked badly about the work of Thomas Ziegler, Wolfgang Böhme, Daniel Bennett and Rick Shine, among others. Will the works of Robert Mertens, Eric Pianka and Walter Auffenberg will next? Unfortunately, you I do not think you not going to find any herpetologist to agree with you. So far, it appears that the only ones who have agreed with anything that you have had to say or post are those that know even less than you, although I did not think that to be possible.

You would be ridiculously funny, if you did not kill off your animals and set a terrible example for others to follow. You seem to crave attention by evidence of you bragging about how many ‘youtube’ views you have received, but in the end, you will only be remembered as ‘The Sav Slayer’ and I almost forgot: as the one that brought water boarding to monitor husbandry

[gabb13]

http://www.bio.usyd.edu.au/Shinelab/publications/reprints/354growthtodeath.pdf

there you all go. michael has challenged you to read it.
he is very sure you won't but will instead TAKE HIS WORD.

it's not all ignorant children here, but i would not bet against his estimate because i know anger and envy flourishes on a fertile substrate.

notice the list of famous names he invokes in his incantation- didn't they just put you in a state of awe? how could anybody not respect those NAMES?
notice the conspicuous lack of factual content- allegations of insult with nothing but HIS WORD to 'prove' it.

while he points a finger at me and howls 'deluded' he is sweetly lying through his teeth to you with complete confidence of his impunity and with your gratitude. just sit back and TAKE HIS WORD. he likes you stupid.

you're right, michael. they won't read the paper - they will take your WORD. lovely. now you are perfectly surrounded by idiots, as you were always meant to be. it's a marriage fate decreed.

let's see where we are in about 6 months. buh byee.

[Michael C]

[Sam Sweet]

Among the wonders of husbandry proudly reported by this individual(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfuXKeT1FS4) is "tooth replacement" in which his then-surviving sav lost all of its teeth in a short interval and lay gasping with red, swollen lips. Have a look at the video and decide for yourselves how healthy that animal appears to be.

Monitors (and other lizards and snakes) replace their teeth regularly, but not in the pathological manner described by our wizard for his lizard here. They do so sequentially in waves that proceed backwards down each quadrant of the jaws. Monitors have 11-12 teeth on each quadrant -- when the tooth in position 1 is being replaced, that in position 9 or 10 may also be shed, followed by teeth in positions 2 and 10/11, etc. There are always 8-10 firmly attached teeth in each quadrant of the jaws. For every tooth position, a series of 3-5 replacement teeth of increasing size lie in the tissues bordering the inner surface of the jaw; the smallest of these may take 2-3 years to grow to full size and find itself next in line for attachment as a functional tooth.

Healthy monitors may shed 30-40 teeth, one at a time, in a year, of their total of 44-48 functional teeth. When someone claims his animal sheds 400 teeth/year it's bunkum. When a monitor loses 50-100 teeth at once it's called mouthrot, which you can see nice exemplified in the video cited above.

We have several words for keepers whose animals die young from their horrible husbandry practices, and adjectives can be added to taste when these keepers claim to be visionaries.

[crocdoc]

[gabb13]

lol @ sam. got an emergency call to jump in and distract for damage control did you?

don't worry, sam, if you say it enough times that buzzy lost all his teeth at once, these dummies will TAKE YOUR WORD.

they will never read a paper, this one for yet another example:

http://books.google.com/books?id=MirXwMe94JgC&pg=PA26&lpg=PA26&dq=komodo+teeth+shedding&source=web&ots=iZQJYNPAdi&sig=hIp6qzevGbZfPDAZSUeo9McQcX8#PPA26,M1

[Sam Sweet]

Yes, insult the readers of the forum as well as those who post comments on your husbandry, and you'll go far. I stated that you claimed that your "sav lost all of its teeth in a short interval", which it did. In your own words,

[gabb13]

edwards? at least get the name right.
now, edmund watched the teeth develop on xray, so you'll have to explain where 'estimating' comes into play there..lol

quote and cite your reference cuz who wants to take your word?

news flash:
when a sav is preparing to shed, the capillaries at the surface of the dermis swell and in a hypo sav like Buzzy, color him rosy pink. oop! i let it slip that Buzzy shed his skin - now you're gonna go around telling people all his skin fell off...rofl!
you also need glasses because despite the poor focus, i can see other teeth surrounding the one that's erupting.
nothing swollen about Buzzy but his gut. all the vids show his head and jaw is shaped that way. he's robustly built.

but are you telling me you called the cops over that vid? orly?

meanwhile- there are at least 15 new vids. new monitors and of course, our handsome blond devil, Buzzy. You'll love Schnupi the frozen zombie, a baby BT, and Chocolate- another brilliant sav like Lilly was. He's the coolest sav on the planet now!
Also, please enjoy the special training vids- so you too can have a friendly monitor- it's your choice.
i do seem to get those 1 in 100 special lizards that just want to be naturally friendly, schwa? what are the odds? plz dish me up some anthropocentric garbage...lol

a word about my book, Taming Your Sav-
it's been said that 'anybody can self publish on the internet'
that's pretty simple minded and real life is a bit more nuanced.
to be such an 'anybody' requires that you have sufficient literacy to put words together, sufficient motivation to do so, sufficient information to justify the format. It really helps if you have a lot of first hand experience and have something worthwhile to say, too.
because of these small nuances that are sometimes overlooked, there hasn't been anybody to write a book on reptile training until somebody came along and did it. so it's not quite just 'anybody'; it has to be 'somebody'. So now, if you ever have a sensible word to say on the topic, you should know- one way or another you'll be quoting moi.
Live it.

til next time

[master pt]

Cool! keep going and some day you might be gone forever...........bless..
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