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Scott W
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I've moved this to Other Pets / Exotics as only members can view that other forum 
I'll sign it when I get a minute spare 
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Nerys
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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Hi All,
A big thankyou to all whom have signed the petition [s].
Combined now we have the Exotic Species at 216 sigs and the Primate Keeping at 85 making for a total of 301 sigs.
Remember this, because the opposition have placed all keepers into the exotic field, this does mean that everyone has been placed into the realm of exotic keeping.
From fancy rats to ferrets to hamsters to mice, to dogs, cats, budgies, parrots, pot bellied pigs, to even those who keep exotic poultry, but lest us not forget the falconry world, they too are included.
We need to be able to deliver as much as a blow possible to those who oppose what we all keep and believe in with a passion.
Within the next few weeks we will be looking at having a downloadable petition for all to print off and take to their shops, around their friends, their clubs and their societies, as well as we will send off to all previously mentioned here.
Email those that you know, link it to websites, but please, in order for us to be heard this is the way we must do it.
Pro Keepers Lobby, made the decision not to charge for private memberships last year, so the only way we can ensure that the private keeper is seen and believed, then this is just one of the economical approaches we must make.
It is cheap, it is quick and it is direct.
Come on, please show your support, and to those that already have.
[Ps: Angi sorry l thought it was you! ooops! Dafty
THANKYOU
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captainmerkin
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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| sorry I got lost, what is the petition opposing? |
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shelby
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| i'v signed |
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Nerys
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mark68
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Is there any current legislation that the prokeepers lobby is opposed to ? |
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Nerys
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| mark68 wrote: | | Is there any current legislation that the prokeepers lobby is opposed to ? |
Hi Mark,
Sorry for delay in responding.
Right, what is the PKL actually opposed to?
Well tbh there are some very main issues that we are opposed to, but in so far as current legislation ...
EPS - European Protected Species is one
Descenting being illegal is another.
The withdraw of the species from the DWAL is yet another.
With the latter it is not so much the fact that the animals - or l should say some animals came off, but the fact that with these species now off, it does make for regulation to be so much harder, especially in primates.
We are not against the animal welfare act either, all for it, l am annoyed at the distinct lack of visible work being achieved in/on the reptile codes of practice l have tbh.
But then l could say that for most of the exotic species to be frank.
I suppose PKL is more against the apathy in the uk expressed by the keeper as well as the complete lack of recognition of the potential problems that we face as an exotics keeping community.
We are more opposed to the lack of knowledge and understanding that has been visible to the keepers or not so visible.
R
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mark68
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for responding so fully.
re the EPS. I have looked at the website a couple of times and believe that it gives the impression that anybody in the UK keeping any specimen on the EPS list needs a license. But if they are captive bred or W/C from outside the EU that I believe is not the case. I know of people coming back
through dover with a boot load of animals (like salamanders) collected during a couple of weeks in sunny mainland Europe. I thought the EPS was meant to stop that, or at least make it illegal in the UK.
In theory the the AWA should get rid of some of the "rogue traders" that can sometimes plague the hobby. There seem to be too many traders that continue for many years and give the hobby a bad name.
Re codes of pratice Personally I would like to see (for example) the virtual stopping of the sale of wild caught species of reptile in the UK. But I think I am in a minority there. If you mean some sort of accreditation with shops sticking to a code of pratice to be a member of say "The reptile shops association" or whatever it be called, I think it will be difficult to get shops to agree to much that would be worth much.
I don't think I am knowledgeable re the de-scenting of skunks to comment !! |
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Nerys
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| mark68 wrote: | Thanks for responding so fully.
re the EPS. I have looked at the website a couple of times and believe that it gives the impression that anybody in the UK keeping any specimen on the EPS list needs a license. But if they are captive bred or W/C from outside the EU that I believe is not the case. I know of people coming back
through dover with a boot load of animals (like salamanders) collected during a couple of weeks in sunny mainland Europe. I thought the EPS was meant to stop that, or at least make it illegal in the UK.
In theory the the AWA should get rid of some of the "rogue traders" that can sometimes plague the hobby. There seem to be too many traders that continue for many years and give the hobby a bad name.
Re codes of pratice Personally I would like to see (for example) the virtual stopping of the sale of wild caught species of reptile in the UK. But I think I am in a minority there. If you mean some sort of accreditation with shops sticking to a code of pratice to be a member of say "The reptile shops association" or whatever it be called, I think it will be difficult to get shops to agree to much that would be worth much.
I don't think I am knowledgeable re the de-scenting of skunks to comment !! |
I think you are right about the retailers and traders alike, they would find it a struggle, but l think that this would apply to those specifically who find things troublesome now anyway. So the introduction of new legislation will be no different.
I am sometimes refered to as naive when it comes to retail and l view these comments with some humour. I know retail only too well having spent many years in management myself, and with extremely high t/o's, so am not new to the concept of trying to understand what a retailers' life is like.
W/C, CF, CB in reptiles is always going to be a big issue, l know many who think like you do and indeed twice as many again who do not agree with you.
But l think that the way legislation is moving now, there may come a time perhaps not as far away as some may like to think when the exporting of wild caughts will be outlawed by legislation.
There are consultations already in Europe that are concentrating on the ceasing of wild caught reptiles and mammals into Europe from Non EU, and l think that like they did with the wild birds ban, this too could become an all too true scenario in the future of the UK.
The EPS was in / is in fact supposed to prevent the illegal smuggling in of species from Europe. But hey, it still happens, and if the likes of port control are not able to stop that via checks then it will contiinue to occur. It will only take a couple of serious crack downs and l do believe then that offenders may be 'put off' by this procedure of import.
EPS will not really be appreciated until someone is collared or indeed prosecuted by the courts, then the full extent of the eps will become known to the many.
HTH
R
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Bri.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Rory.
Just signed both petitions.
How are things going ? not talked to you in a while. Will drop you a line when I get a chance.
Cheers,
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