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Nerys
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:17 pm    Post subject: Wild Caught or Captive Bred Reply with quote

There is always a lot of controversy on this subject, but it always an interesting one for debate.

So what is the answer?

Should we have wild caught animals? Should we have captive bred or farmed?

For those in favour of wild caught, explain why you favour this, and for those in opposition to wild caughts but favour captive breds or farmed, explain why these are better than the former.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Wild Caught or Captive Bred Reply with quote

Well my view is that with the wild caught they are always harder to feed and a pain to clean and handle. If i had a choice i would always stick with the captive bred allot easier.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Without a shadow of a doubt I would say that there is a place for wild caught animals in the pet trade. The trade gives what would other wise be seen as a pest an actual value to the native people and they are more likely to look after them and more importantly their habitats.


I would however say that the current choice that importers bring in is sometimes far from ideal and better selection and consideration to what they are importing is needed.

I have seen MANY wc imports arrive (50 plus) and I have to admit that overall the incidence of DOA is very small and overall packing is of a suitable standard. YES things can be done better (and that will ALWAYS be the case) but overall the system works and it's not in exporters best interests to send sick, badly packed animals to the importers.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

btw moved this here as I thought it's more appropriate Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the worst feeder i have ever had is a captive bred. she had to be tube fed. so i dont think the feeding thing counts for much. they all stop whether CB or WC or CF.
what i hate about WC is just that, they were wild. would anyone dream of taking a sparrow and shutting it in a cage???
we take things that were wild, then expect them to conform to our ideas of how a snake should be.
a breeder needs fresh blood.....................well let them get it some other way is what i say. but that my opinion. and it wont be everyones. Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

im on the fence with this one, i think that it would be good if there was eventualy no wc and only cb species but also there can only be cb species if they are originaly from wc stock.
so eventualy it would be good to see captive bred of all species but there are cheap imports such as anoles and green tree frogs that will always be wc as its cheaper to buy them than produce them from cb stock, sad? maybe.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do neither of you guys see the benefits that (controlled/regulated) WC offer to the species and the local people?

Most of the locals where a lot of the wild caught animals come from would be happy to kill on sight a snake etc. By them seeing a finacial reward to their local enconomy there is a much bigger chance of these animals being respected and the habitat being looked after too (therefore helping all the animals in that area).

I know it's not right but unfortunately unless something has a value many thirdworld countries and not concerned on saving a species or individual animal when their own family is starving.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scott W wrote:
Do neither of you guys see the benefits that (controlled/regulated) WC offer to the species and the local people?

Most of the locals where a lot of the wild caught animals come from would be happy to kill on sight a snake etc. By them seeing a finacial reward to their local enconomy there is a much bigger chance of these animals being respected and the habitat being looked after too (therefore helping all the animals in that area).

I know it's not right but unfortunately unless something has a value many thirdworld countries and not concerned on saving a species or individual animal when their own family is starving.

i just wonder what happened to all the money collected to help these third world countries.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lynne wrote:
i just wonder what happened to all the money collected to help these third world countries.


you mean through charities etc?

I watched a documentary a few weeks back that showed how corrupt some African nations were, charities working in Africa had to pay bribes in order to be given the money that was raised from donations that were suppose to be given to them anyway.

I wouldn't be suprised if less than 10p of every £1 raised ever actually ended up being used from what it was donated for. One of the main reasons I don't give to charity.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scott W wrote:
Lynne wrote:
i just wonder what happened to all the money collected to help these third world countries.


you mean through charities etc?

I watched a documentary a few weeks back that showed how corrupt some African nations were, charities working in Africa had to pay bribes in order to be given the money that was raised from donations that were suppose to be given to them anyway.

I wouldn't be suprised if less than 10p of every £1 raised ever actually ended up being used from what it was donated for. One of the main reasons I don't give to charity.


i sponser a dog, thats about it. but im afraid i dont give to any other charity.
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